Bridge Vs Poker Size
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What does Poker size & Bridge size mean? There are two sizes of playing cards being sold today, and they are only slightly different. A poker-size deck of cards measures 2.50 inches wide, and 3.50 inches tall. A bridge-size deck of cards is 1/4 of an inch narrower, so it measures 2.25 inches wide, and 3.50 inches tall (same as a poker deck). I think the bridge size cards a great! And Highly under rated as being a great resource for magicians! It would be cool to see some Bridge size Gaff cards made! Its also worth noting that most casinos use bridge size cards for their poker games. Although they use KEM cards (which are hard to fan) they are definitely bridge sized! [ F.A.Q. ]
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0I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?Scott F. Guinn
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0Hi Joe.
This is a silly debate that comes around every few years. Some of the all-time greats like Jerry Andrus, Eddie Tullock, and Gary Ouellet used bridge decks. I’ve been known to use them from time to time as well, although I certainly do not belong anywhere near the company of the men I named above.
In my experience, at least in the western US, the vast majority of laymen with whom I’ve had contact--if they have a deck of playing cards in their home at all--have bridge-sized decks with a picture of a tourist destination, landmark, advertisement, or puppies, flowers, horses, etc on the back.
Thinking that only name-brand poker-sized decks can be used for magic is thinking like a magician. If laypeople suspect your using trick cards, they will suspect your poker-sized Bike and Tally Ho deck is tricky. The only way to fully preclude them thinking this is to use their deck--which will often be the aformetioned novelty bridge deck.
As I said, I sometimes perform with bridge decks, as it makes things like sidesteals and passes easier for me with my short, stiff, injury-riddled fingers. But I always practice with poker decks. Thus, I am ready if handed a poker deck, and if its a bridge deck, well, so much the better!’Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks.’ - Scott F. Guinn
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0I think that’s tyhe right idea. If you prctice with poker size cards you are prepared no matter what cards are at hand. If you practice with only bridge decks you could be stuck when tryiong sleights under fire with a poker deck.Mike.Hankins
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0I think it is all a matter of what suits you best.
My hands are slightly bigger than average, so I will stick with poker sized cards.
Though if handed a bridge size deck, I can knock out the moves much easier just as Scott mentioned.
Thought what I find interesting is that most people I have ever had contact with have had nothing BUT poker sized cards. Even when I was the Jager Magician, we handed out poker sized cards to the bar patrons..
Truth is, I don’t see bridge sized cards being sold all that much anymore..so who knows..maybe the western US got em all!!
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 02:13, cairo wrote:
I think that’s tyhe right idea. If you prctice with poker size cards you are prepared no matter what cards are at hand. If you practice with only bridge decks you could be stuck when tryiong sleights under fire with a poker deck.
That is the traditional advice. It’s also bad advice.
People who repeat this traditional (bad) advice don’t seem to realize that if you do all of your sleights with Poker Sized Decks, then you’d also have to make adjustments when someone hands you a Bridge Sized Deck.
If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, then go ahead. Just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic.
Proper preparation means you know how to do all your stuff with any deck handed to you.
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:02, Joe Mauro wrote:
I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?
Just my two cents on all the following..
* In some parts of the world, bridge-sized decks are more common than poker-sized decks. All other things being equal, pulling out a deck that is foreign to the schemata of your audience will garner more suspicion than pulling out a deck that is familiar to the schemata of your audience. If you’re in some parts of Asia and everybody’s using bridge-sized cards, and you pull out your poker-sized cards just because some old twit lectured you into doing it, then the fact that they don’t recognize the deck might make them suspicious. Of course, the fact that you’re using your own deck might make them suspicious anyway..
* Sometimes the nature of the effect itself matters. If you’re doing something like the Magician’s Insurance Policy and they’re doing the cross-cut force on themselves, then the whole bridge vs. poker thing is moot, and if that’s the only card trick you’re doing, it’s not an issue for you. If, on the other hand, you’re doing an effect where the only explanation is that you could have somehow had a card hidden somewhere within (or behind?) your hand, then a smaller card is going to fit that rationalization better than a larger card, which could be problematic. That relationship of hand size to card size is a potential issue -- I remember a great magician who complained about the fact that, because his hands are so huge, poker-sized cards actually look smaller in his hands than bridge-sized cards look in many other people’s. Some techniques that I can get away with using poker-sized cards, he can’t because it looks like the card is literally swallowed up by the hand. He’s had to adjust.
* For the most part, in my own work, I’ve found that most techniques are easier with a smaller deck. If the technique relies on the width of the card for cover (eg: culling in a spread?) you’re actually better off using poker sized in my opinion, and I also suspect it’d be easier to conceal some breaks (such as a deep pinky, or a thumb break with the right thumb on the right side) with poker-sized because the greater width of the card means that the separation has a bit more distance to gradually square up. I’m positive I explained that poorly -- hopefully you know what I mean.
* I generally provide my own decks when I work, so when I need to have the deck shuffled, they’re stuck using the poker-sized ones. If I had my wish, though, I’d probably want them to use a bridge-sized deck since they’re generally easier for spectators to handle when doing things that they’re used to doing with cards (eg: cutting and shuffling). Now, that said, I also use Jumbo Index cards exclusively for the sake of index visibility, and I assume the larger surface area of the poker-sized cards allows for a larger jumbo index, which in turn makes the index more visible at a greater distance. Double-edged sword.
* If the card guys are still complaining about the bridge-sized cards, tell them to go bug Paul Potassy.A screed for scams, sorcery, and other shenanigans.. Nu Way Magick Blogge
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:39, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Hi Joe.
This is a silly debate that comes around every few years. Some of the all-time greats like Jerry Andrus, Eddie Tullock, and Gary Ouellet used bridge decks.
Thank you Scott and everyone else. I happen to feel more comfortable with bridge size cards. I thought maybe there was a legitimate reason I missed.
THANKS!
JoeAlewishus
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0I think Dai Vernon said it best when he said that confusion isn’t magic; so I would have to say that poker trumps bridge.
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0No offence but its a daft argument to say poker sized cards are better: for one, if you have small hands, why would you struggle with larger cards??? It’s like asking which size shoe is better.
I don’t think the majority of spectators know the difference or if they do, they don’t care.sanjaya
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 09:18, Paul S Wingham wrote:
No offence but its a daft argument to say poker sized cards are better: for one, if you have small hands, why would you struggle with larger cards??? It’s like asking which size shoe is better.
13 is best. Anything else won’t fit.motown
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0In my mind the only advantage of poker size cards is the ease of getting gaffed cards, should you be some one who wants to use them. Also, it seems like most of the marketed card tricks and decks are also made up in poker size cards.
I’m talking about tricks like the Rainbow deck, Ultra-mental deck, presto-printo, gang of four, etc.
From a visual stand point it’s nice to use cards that are all the same size.’If you ever write anything about me after I’m gone, I will come back and haunt you.’
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0Youell says If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic. But he doesn’t seem to think if you practice with Poker Sized decks and once in a while go through your sleights with a Bridge Sized deck that you’ll be prepared for any eventuality. Since either way obviously works, I’ll stick with my Poker cards.Steven Youell
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 12:45, markmiller wrote:
Youell says If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic. But he doesn’t seem to think if you practice with Poker Sized decks and once in a while go through your sleights with a Bridge Sized deck that you’ll be prepared for any eventuality. Since either way obviously works, I’ll stick with my Poker cards.
Please read my post again. You’re accusing me of missing my own point. Of course it works both ways. That’s why I wrote the last line.
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0I have no preference. I use poker size cards because I hang out with poker players. But, lay folks don’t really seem to notice. I think it is ONCE again a case of being running when one is not being chased.
I do remember a story that was told by Ron Bauer (I THINK) that either he or a friend had gone to the Castle and Jennings was there. So this person is doing some stuff with a bridge deck and Jennings summons him over, takes the bridge deck and throws it against the wall and warned the practitioner NEVER to use bridge decks again. The story does point out that the Mster was a bit in his cups that night. But I wonder if Mr. Jennings, were he alive today and a Café member, wouldn’t hesitate to knock us up side the head for using bridge decks?
Personally, I like them for things like Anniversary Waltz, and for including them in little trick sets that include 2 Card Monte.
As to the availability of gaffs, well, with USPCC apparently getting out of that part of the biz, deck size is becoming a moot point in terms of availability. Fortunately, there are wonderful alternatives, including the make your own solutions. The BEST I have seen is in a write up on Lybrary.com.
Ahimsa,
VladSteven Youell
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 16:50, Vlad_77 wrote:
So this person is doing some stuff with a bridge deck and Jennings summons him over, takes the bridge deck and throws it against the wall and warned the practitioner NEVER to use bridge decks again. The story does point out that the Mster was a bit in his cups that night.
Larry Jennings did a lot of things that showed his worst side. I personally witnessed some of them. I think maybe because Vernon often did the same thing to him.
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0While looking through a book that had some of the pages from catalogues of the 1970’s, I was truly stunned at how many of the card tricks and decks came in bridge size, not poker.
Personally, I say you should use whatever feels most comfortable for you and fits your performance style.foolsnobody
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0I think it’s actually harder to do magic with the bridge decks. Very hard to make the ’line’ along the side of the deck invisible when holding a break..and also but less so the front of the deck. Also I have small hands but the bridge decks get too ’covered up’ or dwarfed by even my hands, which suggests things like ’palming.’ I think a lot of the problem is that with the narrower width of the deck there is less flex to work with. And I agree with the Professor about the aesthetic proportion of poker cards being ’right’..something about the golden something or other. However, I think it’s a good idea to have a set you can do when someone hands you a bridge deck.
And I just remembered, Scott, another great who used a bridge deck: Bert Allerton.magicfish
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:02, Joe Mauro wrote:
I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?
It does have something to do with layman but perhaps in a different way that you might think. Derek Dingle taught me very early to always always always use poker sized cards for all your magic- he was absolutely correct. If all your work is mastered with poker sized cards, it will be no problem when a layman only has a bridge sized deck available. You will never stumble. However, if all your work is done with bridge cards and you have to work with poker sized cards.. You’re in serious trouble. Listen to the masters, use poker sized cards- always.
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0Quote:On 2010-03-22 03:43, magicfish wrote:
If all your work is mastered with poker sized cards, it will be no problem when a layman only has a bridge sized deck available.
I’m sorry, but this is incorrect. It’s an absolute that misses several factors, including variation in hand size, range of sleights and a few other things. The actual fact is that you should learn to work with both so you’ll be able to automatically make any adjustments neccessary when you switch sizes.
Saying that working with a larger size automatically guarantees you’ll have no problem whatsoever when you switch to a smaller size is just plain wrong and makes no sense. Let me give you an example:
Let’s say I have a student that has overly large hands. He uses Poker Size cards all the time-- of course, right-- his hands are large. But I tell him that if he uses Poker Sized cards, he’ll never have a problem with Bridge Sized cards. Well, if I tell him that then I’ve lied to him. When someone has large hands, swtiching from Poker Sized cards to Bridge Sized cards requires adjustments. If you have very small hands or very large hands, the differnces between Poker Sized and Bridge Sized is not trivial.
If you teach a sufficient number of people over the years, you’ll see a fair amount of variation in hand size and you’ll realize that stating this particular absolute can soon turn you into a liar. A well intentioned liar, but a liar nevertheless!
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0I hear you, stephen, and I agree to a point. I agree that switching from poker to bridge still requires an adjustment. However, I firmly believe that the adjustment from poker to bridge is much easier than bridge to poker. My hands are not small and I work with poker sized- and I will admit that I do need to adjust when I use bridge, but to downsize is fairly easy. I know of a small handed magician who practices with poker sized cards because, as Dingle believed, correctly, the adjustment from bridge to poker is more formidable than from poker to bridge.
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Let’s start with discussing first what isn’t different. Both poker and bridge decks have 52 cards, plus a joker or two. So you could play poker with bridge cards, or bridge with poker cards. Generally speaking, you could play any card game that requires a standard deck of cards (unlike, say, pinochle) with either a bridge deck or a poker deck.The difference between bridge cards and poker cards is simply one of size: poker cards are wider than bridge cards. Dublin poker festival 2019 results 2018. This makes sense, if you think of how many cards you have to hold in your hand to play bridge. Before we give the standard dimensions, we want to offer a word of caution. Playing card sizes can vary from accepted standards. If you use our dimensions for anything other than reading pleasure, you do so entirely at your own risk. As an example, if you construct a thousand playing card boxes and then find that your favorite playing cards don’t fit in them, we’re not responsible.Bridge Or Poker Size CardsWith that disclaimer out of the way, let’s see what we’ve got: Dram memory slot (x2) function.Bridge Vs Poker SizeBridge card size: We measured a card from Congress’ “Three Cheers” bridge set. The card is approximately 3.5 inches high and 2.25 inches wide.Poker card size: We measured a card used in actual play at the Riviera Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas. The card is approximately 3.5 inches high (same as the bridge card, obviously) and 2.5″ wide.Bridge Size Cards Vs Poker SizeConclusion: Poker cards are about .25 inches wider than bridge cards. Now you know, and won’t have to stay up at night wondering.Poker Size Vs Bridge SizeIncidentally, most licensed cards, such as Pepsi playing cards, are poker-sized.
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What does Poker size & Bridge size mean? There are two sizes of playing cards being sold today, and they are only slightly different. A poker-size deck of cards measures 2.50 inches wide, and 3.50 inches tall. A bridge-size deck of cards is 1/4 of an inch narrower, so it measures 2.25 inches wide, and 3.50 inches tall (same as a poker deck). I think the bridge size cards a great! And Highly under rated as being a great resource for magicians! It would be cool to see some Bridge size Gaff cards made! Its also worth noting that most casinos use bridge size cards for their poker games. Although they use KEM cards (which are hard to fan) they are definitely bridge sized! [ F.A.Q. ]
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0I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?Scott F. Guinn
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0Hi Joe.
This is a silly debate that comes around every few years. Some of the all-time greats like Jerry Andrus, Eddie Tullock, and Gary Ouellet used bridge decks. I’ve been known to use them from time to time as well, although I certainly do not belong anywhere near the company of the men I named above.
In my experience, at least in the western US, the vast majority of laymen with whom I’ve had contact--if they have a deck of playing cards in their home at all--have bridge-sized decks with a picture of a tourist destination, landmark, advertisement, or puppies, flowers, horses, etc on the back.
Thinking that only name-brand poker-sized decks can be used for magic is thinking like a magician. If laypeople suspect your using trick cards, they will suspect your poker-sized Bike and Tally Ho deck is tricky. The only way to fully preclude them thinking this is to use their deck--which will often be the aformetioned novelty bridge deck.
As I said, I sometimes perform with bridge decks, as it makes things like sidesteals and passes easier for me with my short, stiff, injury-riddled fingers. But I always practice with poker decks. Thus, I am ready if handed a poker deck, and if its a bridge deck, well, so much the better!’Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks.’ - Scott F. Guinn
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0I think that’s tyhe right idea. If you prctice with poker size cards you are prepared no matter what cards are at hand. If you practice with only bridge decks you could be stuck when tryiong sleights under fire with a poker deck.Mike.Hankins
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0I think it is all a matter of what suits you best.
My hands are slightly bigger than average, so I will stick with poker sized cards.
Though if handed a bridge size deck, I can knock out the moves much easier just as Scott mentioned.
Thought what I find interesting is that most people I have ever had contact with have had nothing BUT poker sized cards. Even when I was the Jager Magician, we handed out poker sized cards to the bar patrons..
Truth is, I don’t see bridge sized cards being sold all that much anymore..so who knows..maybe the western US got em all!!
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 02:13, cairo wrote:
I think that’s tyhe right idea. If you prctice with poker size cards you are prepared no matter what cards are at hand. If you practice with only bridge decks you could be stuck when tryiong sleights under fire with a poker deck.
That is the traditional advice. It’s also bad advice.
People who repeat this traditional (bad) advice don’t seem to realize that if you do all of your sleights with Poker Sized Decks, then you’d also have to make adjustments when someone hands you a Bridge Sized Deck.
If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, then go ahead. Just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic.
Proper preparation means you know how to do all your stuff with any deck handed to you.
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:02, Joe Mauro wrote:
I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?
Just my two cents on all the following..
* In some parts of the world, bridge-sized decks are more common than poker-sized decks. All other things being equal, pulling out a deck that is foreign to the schemata of your audience will garner more suspicion than pulling out a deck that is familiar to the schemata of your audience. If you’re in some parts of Asia and everybody’s using bridge-sized cards, and you pull out your poker-sized cards just because some old twit lectured you into doing it, then the fact that they don’t recognize the deck might make them suspicious. Of course, the fact that you’re using your own deck might make them suspicious anyway..
* Sometimes the nature of the effect itself matters. If you’re doing something like the Magician’s Insurance Policy and they’re doing the cross-cut force on themselves, then the whole bridge vs. poker thing is moot, and if that’s the only card trick you’re doing, it’s not an issue for you. If, on the other hand, you’re doing an effect where the only explanation is that you could have somehow had a card hidden somewhere within (or behind?) your hand, then a smaller card is going to fit that rationalization better than a larger card, which could be problematic. That relationship of hand size to card size is a potential issue -- I remember a great magician who complained about the fact that, because his hands are so huge, poker-sized cards actually look smaller in his hands than bridge-sized cards look in many other people’s. Some techniques that I can get away with using poker-sized cards, he can’t because it looks like the card is literally swallowed up by the hand. He’s had to adjust.
* For the most part, in my own work, I’ve found that most techniques are easier with a smaller deck. If the technique relies on the width of the card for cover (eg: culling in a spread?) you’re actually better off using poker sized in my opinion, and I also suspect it’d be easier to conceal some breaks (such as a deep pinky, or a thumb break with the right thumb on the right side) with poker-sized because the greater width of the card means that the separation has a bit more distance to gradually square up. I’m positive I explained that poorly -- hopefully you know what I mean.
* I generally provide my own decks when I work, so when I need to have the deck shuffled, they’re stuck using the poker-sized ones. If I had my wish, though, I’d probably want them to use a bridge-sized deck since they’re generally easier for spectators to handle when doing things that they’re used to doing with cards (eg: cutting and shuffling). Now, that said, I also use Jumbo Index cards exclusively for the sake of index visibility, and I assume the larger surface area of the poker-sized cards allows for a larger jumbo index, which in turn makes the index more visible at a greater distance. Double-edged sword.
* If the card guys are still complaining about the bridge-sized cards, tell them to go bug Paul Potassy.A screed for scams, sorcery, and other shenanigans.. Nu Way Magick Blogge
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:39, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Hi Joe.
This is a silly debate that comes around every few years. Some of the all-time greats like Jerry Andrus, Eddie Tullock, and Gary Ouellet used bridge decks.
Thank you Scott and everyone else. I happen to feel more comfortable with bridge size cards. I thought maybe there was a legitimate reason I missed.
THANKS!
JoeAlewishus
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0I think Dai Vernon said it best when he said that confusion isn’t magic; so I would have to say that poker trumps bridge.
A.Paul S Wingham
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0No offence but its a daft argument to say poker sized cards are better: for one, if you have small hands, why would you struggle with larger cards??? It’s like asking which size shoe is better.
I don’t think the majority of spectators know the difference or if they do, they don’t care.sanjaya
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 09:18, Paul S Wingham wrote:
No offence but its a daft argument to say poker sized cards are better: for one, if you have small hands, why would you struggle with larger cards??? It’s like asking which size shoe is better.
13 is best. Anything else won’t fit.motown
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0In my mind the only advantage of poker size cards is the ease of getting gaffed cards, should you be some one who wants to use them. Also, it seems like most of the marketed card tricks and decks are also made up in poker size cards.
I’m talking about tricks like the Rainbow deck, Ultra-mental deck, presto-printo, gang of four, etc.
From a visual stand point it’s nice to use cards that are all the same size.’If you ever write anything about me after I’m gone, I will come back and haunt you.’
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0Youell says If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic. But he doesn’t seem to think if you practice with Poker Sized decks and once in a while go through your sleights with a Bridge Sized deck that you’ll be prepared for any eventuality. Since either way obviously works, I’ll stick with my Poker cards.Steven Youell
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 12:45, markmiller wrote:
Youell says If you want to use Bridge Sized decks, just make sure you pick up a Poker Sized Deck once in a while and go through your sleights so that way if you need to make any adjustments, they’ll be automatic. But he doesn’t seem to think if you practice with Poker Sized decks and once in a while go through your sleights with a Bridge Sized deck that you’ll be prepared for any eventuality. Since either way obviously works, I’ll stick with my Poker cards.
Please read my post again. You’re accusing me of missing my own point. Of course it works both ways. That’s why I wrote the last line.
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0I have no preference. I use poker size cards because I hang out with poker players. But, lay folks don’t really seem to notice. I think it is ONCE again a case of being running when one is not being chased.
I do remember a story that was told by Ron Bauer (I THINK) that either he or a friend had gone to the Castle and Jennings was there. So this person is doing some stuff with a bridge deck and Jennings summons him over, takes the bridge deck and throws it against the wall and warned the practitioner NEVER to use bridge decks again. The story does point out that the Mster was a bit in his cups that night. But I wonder if Mr. Jennings, were he alive today and a Café member, wouldn’t hesitate to knock us up side the head for using bridge decks?
Personally, I like them for things like Anniversary Waltz, and for including them in little trick sets that include 2 Card Monte.
As to the availability of gaffs, well, with USPCC apparently getting out of that part of the biz, deck size is becoming a moot point in terms of availability. Fortunately, there are wonderful alternatives, including the make your own solutions. The BEST I have seen is in a write up on Lybrary.com.
Ahimsa,
VladSteven Youell
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 16:50, Vlad_77 wrote:
So this person is doing some stuff with a bridge deck and Jennings summons him over, takes the bridge deck and throws it against the wall and warned the practitioner NEVER to use bridge decks again. The story does point out that the Mster was a bit in his cups that night.
Larry Jennings did a lot of things that showed his worst side. I personally witnessed some of them. I think maybe because Vernon often did the same thing to him.
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0While looking through a book that had some of the pages from catalogues of the 1970’s, I was truly stunned at how many of the card tricks and decks came in bridge size, not poker.
Personally, I say you should use whatever feels most comfortable for you and fits your performance style.foolsnobody
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0I think it’s actually harder to do magic with the bridge decks. Very hard to make the ’line’ along the side of the deck invisible when holding a break..and also but less so the front of the deck. Also I have small hands but the bridge decks get too ’covered up’ or dwarfed by even my hands, which suggests things like ’palming.’ I think a lot of the problem is that with the narrower width of the deck there is less flex to work with. And I agree with the Professor about the aesthetic proportion of poker cards being ’right’..something about the golden something or other. However, I think it’s a good idea to have a set you can do when someone hands you a bridge deck.
And I just remembered, Scott, another great who used a bridge deck: Bert Allerton.magicfish
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0Quote:On 2010-03-20 01:02, Joe Mauro wrote:
I hear stories of the old well known magicians chastising younger magicians about using
bridge size cards.
Why? Do laymen care what are used?
It does have something to do with layman but perhaps in a different way that you might think. Derek Dingle taught me very early to always always always use poker sized cards for all your magic- he was absolutely correct. If all your work is mastered with poker sized cards, it will be no problem when a layman only has a bridge sized deck available. You will never stumble. However, if all your work is done with bridge cards and you have to work with poker sized cards.. You’re in serious trouble. Listen to the masters, use poker sized cards- always.
RodneySteven Youell
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0Quote:On 2010-03-22 03:43, magicfish wrote:
If all your work is mastered with poker sized cards, it will be no problem when a layman only has a bridge sized deck available.
I’m sorry, but this is incorrect. It’s an absolute that misses several factors, including variation in hand size, range of sleights and a few other things. The actual fact is that you should learn to work with both so you’ll be able to automatically make any adjustments neccessary when you switch sizes.
Saying that working with a larger size automatically guarantees you’ll have no problem whatsoever when you switch to a smaller size is just plain wrong and makes no sense. Let me give you an example:
Let’s say I have a student that has overly large hands. He uses Poker Size cards all the time-- of course, right-- his hands are large. But I tell him that if he uses Poker Sized cards, he’ll never have a problem with Bridge Sized cards. Well, if I tell him that then I’ve lied to him. When someone has large hands, swtiching from Poker Sized cards to Bridge Sized cards requires adjustments. If you have very small hands or very large hands, the differnces between Poker Sized and Bridge Sized is not trivial.
If you teach a sufficient number of people over the years, you’ll see a fair amount of variation in hand size and you’ll realize that stating this particular absolute can soon turn you into a liar. A well intentioned liar, but a liar nevertheless!
SEYmagicfish
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0I hear you, stephen, and I agree to a point. I agree that switching from poker to bridge still requires an adjustment. However, I firmly believe that the adjustment from poker to bridge is much easier than bridge to poker. My hands are not small and I work with poker sized- and I will admit that I do need to adjust when I use bridge, but to downsize is fairly easy. I know of a small handed magician who practices with poker sized cards because, as Dingle believed, correctly, the adjustment from bridge to poker is more formidable than from poker to bridge.
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One question that comes up a lot (at least on this website) is: What is the difference between poker playing cards and bridge playing cards?
Let’s start with discussing first what isn’t different. Both poker and bridge decks have 52 cards, plus a joker or two. So you could play poker with bridge cards, or bridge with poker cards. Generally speaking, you could play any card game that requires a standard deck of cards (unlike, say, pinochle) with either a bridge deck or a poker deck.The difference between bridge cards and poker cards is simply one of size: poker cards are wider than bridge cards. Dublin poker festival 2019 results 2018. This makes sense, if you think of how many cards you have to hold in your hand to play bridge. Before we give the standard dimensions, we want to offer a word of caution. Playing card sizes can vary from accepted standards. If you use our dimensions for anything other than reading pleasure, you do so entirely at your own risk. As an example, if you construct a thousand playing card boxes and then find that your favorite playing cards don’t fit in them, we’re not responsible.Bridge Or Poker Size CardsWith that disclaimer out of the way, let’s see what we’ve got: Dram memory slot (x2) function.Bridge Vs Poker SizeBridge card size: We measured a card from Congress’ “Three Cheers” bridge set. The card is approximately 3.5 inches high and 2.25 inches wide.Poker card size: We measured a card used in actual play at the Riviera Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas. The card is approximately 3.5 inches high (same as the bridge card, obviously) and 2.5″ wide.Bridge Size Cards Vs Poker SizeConclusion: Poker cards are about .25 inches wider than bridge cards. Now you know, and won’t have to stay up at night wondering.Poker Size Vs Bridge SizeIncidentally, most licensed cards, such as Pepsi playing cards, are poker-sized.
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